All Things Bill Belichick
     
 

Coffee With The Coach


 
 

WEEI
November 27, 2006

 
     
 

GO: Back here on The Big Show, it is Patriots Monday. Glenn Ordway, Freddy Smerlas, Steve DeOssie, Pete Sheppard. It's time for Coffee With The Coach brought to you by Dunkin' Donuts. Stop by Dunkin' Donuts today for a delicious coffee. America runs on Dunkin'.

[Crosstalk]

GO: Let's talk about yesterday's game. I thought it was interesting. A lot of the players talked after the game and said that you were not pleased with a lot of stuff. Now, they might have been talking out of school, but they did say that, it's on the record. Were you not pleased about a lot of stuff out there in the game?

BB: Well, I think there were a lot of things we could have done better in the game. Some of the points that we really tried to emphasize going in, we didn't do a particularly good job of. In the end though, the players made enough plays to win and made a few more than the Bears, but I just think that we had a lot of mistakes that could have been more costly than they were and fortunately we got by with it but I wouldn't recommend it on a weekly basis, that's for sure.

GO: I would take it you probably spent a lot of time last week being protective with the football knowing that this is as big a ball-hawking team is out there.

BB: Sure, ball security and turnovers were a big point of emphasis. The long balls, the deep throws, which is really the essence of the Bears' passing game, punt protection, things that we really put a lot of time and effort into last week. I didn't think in some cases were particularly well-executed.

FS: Well the field goal, I mean your special teams was better. They covered, which was decent. Field goal...

BB: I thought Kenny [Walters] did a real good job on the punts. He put a lot of hang time on the ball and [Devin] Hester really didn't get much of a chance to get them going and you know we had a good net punting average. Kenny did a great job. It was the perfect way to play against a returner like that.

FS: Everyone made a lot of stink about the Tampa-2. Could you explain a little bit about the Tampa-2 as opposed to the regular Cover-2?

BB: In the Tampa-2 the middle linebacker runs deep to the middle of the field so he's almost like a free safety. So really Tampa-2 plays more like Cover-3. It's more of a three-deep coverage than two-deep. But the Bears really didn't play it that much against us. I think they only got it by be 12 times, 30-some times they were in man-to-man Cover-1, and then probably about another 10 times in some type of three-deep zone or blitz zone. So that's pretty much what we saw. We saw a lot more free safety, post safety coverages. Not too much split safety, two-Tampa and quite a bit man-to-man.

SD: Any early feedback on the new turf, the new field. How do the guys feel playing on it?

BB: I really didn't ask the players about it after the game. We practiced on it and it seemed to be fine; I don't think anybody had any problems with it.

FS: It looked like the timing with the receivers a little bit, I mean there was one pass to [Benjamin] Watson at the end of the half, he threw it about three yards before his break, and in that mud it seems like he hesitates a little bit more because not knowing exactly when the break is going to be because it slows you down. Did it help a little bit with the timing patterns against the man?

BB: Oh, well there's no question that the footing and the conditions were a lot better in this game than what they've been in any other one. So that helps everything, it helps the pass rush, helps the pass patterns, helps the running backs cut in the open field. I think it just improves the overall quality level of play.

PS: Has this been the most physical game you guys have been involved in all year? There was some major hitting going on, on both sides.

BB: I'd say I'd put it up there. I mean, the Denver game was pretty physical. But yes, they're a very physical team. And we try to be too, so it probably was, Pete. I think that's probably accurate.

GO: How difficult is it to run against the Bears? It seemed like there were open holes and next thing you know they're so quick defensively in closing down that hole. It was amazing.

BB: Well, to honest with you Glenn, I thought we'd have a little more success than we did. They've given up their share of yardage on the ground this year and I thought that we'd be able to punch out a couple. Corey [Dillon] had a nice one on the off-tackle play there in the first quarter and got it down there about, I don't know, what was it, 30 yards? Something like that. So we split them a couple times, but I really hoped that we would run the ball a little better than we did and try to have a little bit more balance. But in the end we were able to make some plays in the passing game, and we were getting a lot of man coverage and they kept dropping that extra guy down, and playing a lot of 8-man fronts and their safeties were in on a number of plays, [Chris] Harris and before he got hurt there, the other kid, anyway, their safeties are dropping down into the front so that kind of hurt us in the running game, too. A couple times we had good plays and we would have had probably pretty solid gains, but the safety came in there and made the tackle pretty close...

PS: [Interrupting] Your running back out of the backfield catching the ball was tremendous.

BB: Right, and that opened up a few things there, too, where they're trying to play man-to-man from the inside with those inside linebackers and they just couldn't get out there and get on them a couple times.

FS: Similar to Denver had walked up the safeties a lot of safety play early trying to take it seemed to be taking away the run and pressing you into making the passing game work. And fortunately the passing game did work. And there was one great play by [Kevin] Faulk and another instance where the field was third down I think throw over the middle he made a tremendous cut for the first down. Lousy field he does it. But Faulk coming out of the backfield knows where to go and seems to set down the right places.

BB: Yes, he's very good at that and Laurence [Maroney] did a good job of that, too. So I think our backs overall did a good job in the passing game, both in blitz pickup where we really didn't have a lot of pressure on the quarterback and then they got out into some routes and made a couple plays in open spaces and when they drop everybody back in those zones it's something that the quarterback just has to do is be patient and hit those underneath throws and get those six, seven, eight yard gains, and you just can't try to force the ball down the field into really tight spots and end up getting it turned over.

FS: Do you ever have to slow the camera down when [Tom] Brady made that cut flashed and blind the guys in the locker room? [Laughter] How did it look on film?

BB: Uh, it looked like [Brian] Urlacher hesitated a little bit like he wasn't quite sure, maybe he was a little surprised that Brady was running and didn't maybe anticipate that he was going to continue to keep running, but Tom made a...he was kind of deceptive there and made a little shake there to the left, and then...you remember, Tom had that long run against Cincinnati, right?

GO: Yes.

FS: Yes. Twenty-two yards?

BB: So I think that Tom does a good job of when he does run he runs at the right times and a lot of times it's in man-to-man coverage when the defense all has their back turned and they're out covering their man and there's some space to go there and that's really the time when a quarterback like Tom can make some yardage because everybody's not really paying attention to him, they're trying to cover their receivers.

GO: That's a Maroney move, right there.

[Laughter]

PS: You won't change your offense to the option or the wishbone or anything like that?

[Laughter]

SD: Does the Junior Seau injury change your mindset defensively? 3-4, 4-3, substitutions?

BB: I think the way we finish the game is the way we went through training camp when [Tedy] Bruschi was hurt, with Mike playing inside and Rosey [Colvin] and Tully [Banta-Cain] both playing outside, and that's where we ended up back yesterday, was with Tedy at "Mike" and [Mike] Vrabel over at the "Will" spot, so we can play that way. We played that way last year with Mike and Tedy inside and I think there's always going to be an element of multiple fronts going into game plans and picking the best thing for a particular game but as far as the 3-4 goes, that's been a base part of our defense all year. It's been pretty good; we've played it fairly well and I'd hate to just toss that out based on...I mean, if we didn't have Mike to go in there and play it, that might be one thing. But we've played with him this year and last year and he's done a good job for us, so I think that will certainly be an element of our scheme.

[Joking around among the co-hosts]

GO: I don't want to put you in a position to talk about the officials ... certainly. We talked about the Artrell Hawkins phantom pass interference out there, and I want to ask you because we were discussing this earlier: would you favor them using instant replay to in any way determine a pass interference call?

BB: Oh boy, I don't know. I think in a way that would really open up a big can of worms. It's a judgment call, pass interference, then holding, then...kind of, where do you draw the line? I think the way it is now – is the runner down, is the ball out, is he out of bounds, is he in bounds – I think that's a lot more reviewable because...I mean, it's still tough but at least it's clear cut. Whereas, is he playing the ball, is he playing the man, where is the ball – I think that it would be hard to do. I really do.

GO: But isn't it fairly defined?

FS: But it's so much judgment. Even when they're looking at it, it's judgment.

BB: Again, as long as the defender is playing the ball, contact is incidental. If he's playing the man, it isn't. So he's chasing the man and then he turns and looks for the ball when does he turn and look, when is there contact, does the receiver run into him, does he bump into the receiver, who initiates it, all of that. I think it would be hard. [Laughing] I don't know if there are enough challenges.

PS: But as a coach, what do you say to Artrell Hawkins and [Ellis] Hobbs it was the play after, or two plays after ... how do you coach that, how do you say 'You're doing the job but you're getting screwed at the same time'?

BB: Well, what a defensive back has to do is he has to understand that once the ball is in the air that he has to turn and play the ball and you just can't play the man. So whether that's based on timing or whether it's based on actually seeing the ball thrown or whether it's based on the receiver's reactions, that you know he's going to get the ball and it's already been thrown, then at that point you have to turn and get your eyes on the ball and play the ball. And then if there's contact it doesn't matter but as long as you're not looking at the ball and there's any type of contact that the official feels is initiated by the defender, it's a foul. So that's the way it is. And now you have elements of holding, illegal contact and pass interference depending when the ball's in the air and how far downfield it is and all that, so that kind of complicates the whole rule system because on some of those plays was the ball in the air, wasn't it in the air, is it holding, is it contact, is it interference, that brings up a whole other set of problems. I think that's how you have to coach it. Nobody's saying it's easy, but I'm just telling you what the rule is and that's how you have to play it or you'll get called every single time.

PS: I just thought they were playing by the rules. [Crosstalk] I just thought it was good coverage....

BB: It was like the play, like on the post pattern there, I think it was the first quarter, with Hobbs in the end zone. He was chasing the ball and his legs kind of got tangled up with the receiver so the receiver went down and there was no foul. I think the officials judged that both players were playing the ball, they were both running for it, their feet got tangled up and that's not a foul. But had Ellis not been looking at the ball or running at the ball and just kind of chasing the man and that same situation occurred, then I think that that probably would have been grounds for an infraction.

FS: Similar situation: [Chad] Jackson seemed to be face guarded by one of the Bears' defenders.

PS: That was so obvious.

FS: Do you take those two and send them in and say, 'Why is this not called and that one...'?

BB: That was a tough call there, too, when [Charles] Tillman went up there and he really wasn't [FS: No.] playing the ball at all; he was playing the receiver. I don't know how much contact there was with the receiver; it's sort of hard to tell. A lot of times the TV copy gives you a better look. Watching it on TV, you get a better look at those interference calls than you do from the camera up there on top of the stadium from the top of the press box. So it's sort of hard to tell how much contact there was between Tillman and Jackson on that particular play. But that one of those where the defender's chasing the receiver, he sticks his arm up, if he doesn't hit the receiver even though he's not playing the ball and he just luckily gets his hand in there then that's okay. If he contacts the receiver then that's the situation.

FS: Do you send them in and say 'Review this.'

BB: No, I haven't sent a play in to the officials in, I don't know, it's been several years.

GO: Can we?

[Laughter and crosstalk]

BB: They grade their officials. If there's a rule that I don't understand, then I might call and ask for a clarification or an interpretation of a particular rule or a situation. If they see it one way and I see it another, then it's either going to be  'Well, the officials made a mistake,' or 'You made a mistake. You didn't really see it correctly. This is what happened.'

GO: Did you see the wild one they had in the San Diego-Oakland game? The play with the forward pass after [VincentJackson was down? Nobody touched him, did a little celebration, spun the ball, it goes forward, that's a forward pass. I didn't realize that.

BB: Yes. That play's come up...

GO: Plaxico Burress.

BB: Plaxico had one a couple years ago: got up, spiked the ball, wasn't touched and I forget who it was, Jacksonville or somebody picked it up and ran it back about 30, 40 yards, back to about the ten yard line. So those are plays that you just have to be aware of the situation. Go until you're down. There was another play last night, too, where Tom got hit just as he threw the ball and the ball went about twenty yards past the...

[Everybody says 'Yes' at once.]

BB: And really the way the rule is now, every player on that field should have been going for the ball. [Everyone agreeing] They did react to it but not...and that's the thing I really don't like about that rule is I think you have a dangerous situation where you have guys going for the ball that saw what happened, and then you have other guys that maybe were running their route or covering somebody that didn't really see the ball – how it got to where it was, whether it was a pass or a fumble or got hit or whatever, and they're not playing it but other guys are and it's just that whole play until the whistle. But you can't do that anymore; you have to play until the possession of the ball. It changes just the kind of dynamics, and what I worry about is just someone getting hurt, because the ball's laying there, they don't see it and somebody else goes and dives on it, and they get blown up because they're not defending themselves.

FS: Let me ask you a question about, a lot of people asked us about the double reverse. On the first handoff on the reverse, does the back have an option to hold...

BB: No. No, I mean that's a great question. When we watched the play, Fred, [laughing] we were sitting there saying geez. We were tempted but the idea was to get their defense to react to the reverse and we thought when we ran the reverse they'd see the reverse and they would react to that. And then you kind of have everybody standing over on one side of the field when you double it and you can just seal them all in, but they really overreacted to the toss play. And we had them all pinned; there was only one guy, just the linebacker [Hunter] Hillenmeyer on the back side ... and there was a lot of space out there for [Reche] Caldwell. But the play was for him to give it back to Jackson and we just didn't...we got more on the initial reaction than we thought and not as much on the reverse action as what we anticipated, so we ended up running it right back into a mess. When you run a play like that there is obviously risk for a big gain, or a potential loss, and unfortunately we lost.

FS: Let me ask you a question, they're a one-gap progressive defense, they come upfield a lot. Is it more apt to run a play action pass against a two-gap reaction team as opposed to [inaudible] team like that? Because they're just coming upfield.

BB: I think on the play action passes it just depends on who you're trying to effect. If you're trying to affect the linebackers, then you can run it on – it doesn't really matter what the front is, you're trying to get the linebacker to step up to create some space in the secondary. If you're trying to slow down the pass rush, then that's kind of a different type of play. That's usually a much harder play action sell, and you try to get the linemen to really think it's a run and give the quarterback a little more time, like for example a flea flicker, that type of play where you really need more time to execute the pass.

PS: Staying on Jackson just for a second, we was about maybe six inches away totally from having a tremendous game. The bomb that Brady threw him, he missed him by about a foot, and then the face guarding penalty that should have been called, then that would have been a huge gain, too. And you'd said [last] Monday how you thought you would probably try to get him more involved in the offense. Did you like what you saw from him on Sunday?

BB: Well I would have liked to have seen him caught the pass down the sideline. I mean, that was a play where the Bears were in Cover-2, and Tom looked down the middle and got the safeties to kind of take the receiver running down the middle of the field, and then he he laid it out there and Jackson was probably five, ten yards behind the safety who was going to the guy down the middle that Brady was looking at. So you'd like to see any time you throw the ball down the field like that and the receiver has a chance at it you'd like to see the receiver come up with those, however it happens, whether it's taking the ball away from Tillman or finishing the go-route down the...

PS: [Interrupting and everyone talking at once] It seemed like he slowed up just a tad at the last second. It seemed to have cost him the catch.

BB: Well, I don't know. But in any case, you only get so many of those a game. It's not like you're going to get ten of them. You're lucky if you get one, and if you have one or two of those a game, those are the ones that...you're right, that's the difference between having a great game...it's the difference between having two homeruns and flying out twice. So those are the ones that we have to connect on. And we're close. It's kind of like the flea flicker to Troy [Brown] in the Denver game; it's a matter of inches but if you don't hit it it's just a foul ball.

SD:  Watching Urlacher on TV or on film is one thing, but watching him on the field, it seems even all that much more impressive to see a guy that size move that fast deliver that much punishment. What type of player is he in the overall scheme of great linebackers that you've coached and seen?

BB: You know, Steve, I think he's really a unique player. He's very tall for a middle linebacker, he's over 6'4", and he runs well which we've seen that before, and even in this division, guys like [London] Fletcher[-Baker] and Zach Thomas and all. I doubt that he's a lot faster than they are, but he's just so much taller and has a lot of range. I think the thing that he does well is he's a very good pass defender. And because he' so tall he's a hard guy to throw over, whether he's blitzing or whether he's in coverage, it's just hard to get the ball around him. It's like when you play racquetball or play tennis against a big, tall guy, he has such a big reach you feel like you can't get the ball by him. He's kind of like that. I think that in the running game he's good but I think his height probably hurts him  a little bit there in terms of leverage in terms of blockers and all compared, again, to a guy like Fletcher or Zach Thomas, those guys have 160, 170 tackles a year, that type of thing. They may have a little bit better quickness and be a little bit quicker in line, but he has so much range and speed in the passing game and as a blitzer, you know, he's a tall guy that can use the arm over moves and stuff like that as a blitzer and he's pretty effective for a middle linebacker.

FS: Let me ask you about ... the kicker. [Crosstalk] Fifty-two yard kick, he kicked off extremely well into the end zone a bunch of times. I mean that was a hell of a kick for a young kid in a pressure game.

BB: Boy, it was. Watching that again this morning, I don't know that I've ever seen a kick come that close to the upright and that close to the cross bar. I mean it just tucked right there in the corner by a few inches, but that was a big kick for us. I thought we had a nice two-minute drive there to get the ball down there and have a chance to go off the field with a little bit of momentum and a couple extra points. Fortunately the timeout was taken there on the previous kick that we didn't make and then Stephen [Gostkowski] kind of straightened it out enough to get it through.

FS: The first one he missed would have been about 65. He hit that a mile the first one, that he missed.

BB: Right.

FS: But his kickoffs also were extremely good.

BB: He kicks off well. He's always kicked off well – I mean the whole season. But that 52-yarder was a big one. We haven't had a lot of 50-yard field goals here recently. And of course on that field we haven't had too many attempted over 40 for that matter. But that was a big kick and those were big points. I think Kenny did a good job for us, too; not only punting but also the holding aspect of it. It was good to see the ball go through there.

GO: Obviously that was at the end of the quarter so he's going to take that shot, but have you changed his range? Do you take his range with this field now as opposed to what you were dealing with before?

BB: Oh definitely. Yes, the footing is so much better, especially in the middle of the field where you're kicking from. I mean obviously you can make the kicks from between the hash marks, and that's where the field got pretty chewed up, so I think the range is better. Even on a bad field, if it's the end of the half and you have to have it to win the game, or it's the last play of the half, well you have nothing to lose by trying a 55-, 50-whatever. If you miss it, you miss it. But to take that kick in the first quarter and have a ten percent chance of making it or whatever and then you miss it and now they have the ball on your 45-yard line, that's a lot of field position to give up. So that's part of the problem in the decision making. You know, we've gone for a lot of fourth downs this year and a lot of those fourth downs have come on what would have been 40-plus-yard field goals, so if it's fourth-and-one or fourth-and-two and the ball's on the whatever, 32-yard line, you have to decide whether you have a better chance of getting fourth-and-two or do you think you have a better chance of kicking a 49-yard field goal in a sandbox? And that's kind of some of the decisions that came up in the first half of the season.

SD: You mentioned Chicago's long passing game and their attempts at trying to go deep, obviously you looked at that this week and it seemed to help Asante Samuel out. After he jumped that first quick slant on a blitz and then was well-prepared for the deep passes coming up with three interceptions. Something you specifically worked on that long passing game during the week?

BB: Yes, we sure did, Steve. And again, the long passes for the most part really came on first and second down they were play action passes. And on third down they were much more of a possession team try to get the five or ten that they needed to stay on the field. They did throw that one up, the one that Artrell had the penalty on, which I don't think that was really designed to go there, I think that was just more of everybody was covered and just throw it up there and hope for the best. And they ended up getting it. But James Sanders was back there, made a nice play on on a go pattern. Ellis was back there a couple times, broke one up, and the other one in the end zone. So they probably threw ten of them on us. A couple times they didn't get the ball off, but they were trying to throw them. But that was a big point of emphasis. That's what the Bears do, they run, run, run, take a shot down the field on a big play action pass, run, run, run, throw a shot. And then on third down they're much more of a possession team.

FS: Speaking about passing, I think some of the comments by the Bears, they said they thought they'd get more pressure on the quarterback than they did. Nice job by the offensive line. The front coming in and being together, with Stephen Neal being back, and they really seemed to be setting a nice pocket and giving Brady time. It was an exceptional job against a pretty good pass rushing team.

BB: It was, our pass protection was good. I think our pass protection overall was real good and it also gave Tom the opportunity against some of those zones to lift the defenders off and try to create a little more space in the underneath passing lanes. They blitzed us a number of times and for the most part we did a pretty good job of picking that up. I thought our protection was good. I think our overall running game, production in the running game could have been better, but I thought our pass blocking was good.

[Crosstalk]

GO: All right, let's get to this week's opponent, the Detroit Lions. This is a team we don't get an opportunity to see an awful lot and you don't get an opportunity to see an awful lot.

FS: Thanksgiving Day.

GO: We did see them Thanksgiving Day, that's the point I was going to bring up. they looked like world beaters early on in that game. But they seem to do that – they look very good for a while and then they fall apart. What is it that seems to break down with this team?

BB: Well, as you know, Glenn, their offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, and of course we've gone up against him and his offenses at St. Louis. They're a wide  open passing team, they do a lot of shifting, motion, three wide receivers, four wide receivers, they pretty much do it all. They get down on the one- or the two-yard line and go empty and throw tight end screens. It could be third-and-two and they'll throw a 20-yard in-cut. They just...they'll wing it. So they're a very explosive passing team. We've had a lot of trouble  as everybody has – playing that type of passing game. [Jon] Kitna's done a good job of running the offense, they have obviously a great receiver in [Roy] Williams and a terrific running back in [Kevin] Jones, who didn't play on Thanksgiving. They're a very explosive offensive football team. Good, experienced offensive line, similar to the Chicago line, and a lot of veteran players. They can move the ball defensively; they're from that Tampa school. So they run a lot of one-gap defense, penetrators, upfield pass rush guys. And they have a very good return game and a good kicker. They've obviously had their moments and turned the ball over and  had, at times, trouble on defense but they've also played very good football. From a passing standpoint I'm sure that they'll try to exploit their passing game against our situation in the secondary. And we'll probably see a lot of multiple receiver sets, because they use them anyway, and I'm sure that they'll use them just like...and use more of them and try to create some more mismatches in the passing game.

FS: Kitna's a guy that, sometimes he's an All-Pro, next day he's a little inconsistent. But if he gets on a roll, we saw it last year when he came in for [Carson] Palmer, didn't miss a beat. He's a smart player, too. He can pick the receiver.

BB: Oh, you bet, Fred. He's had a couple games where he's hit 12, 15 in a row. Yes, he can light it up. They're a good offensive football team. They can run it, they can throw it – and they throw it deep. They don't throw a lot of two-yard fullback to the flat, check-downs and four-yard curl routes and that kind of thing. When they throw it they're hitting those 20-yard in-cuts, they're hitting those receivers down the seam, they're hitting those 15-yard comebacks. Just like they did against the Jets, they come back against the Jets in the first quarter, they go 80 yards in four plays in a minute-and-a-half. Twenty-yard in-cut, 20-yard screen, 20-yard comeback, 20-yard post boom, they're in the end zone.

GO: All right, it's time for the Eastern Mass. Volkswagen Dealers' Coach's Question of The Week. This one, Coach, comes from Bob in West Bridgewater: he asks the question, 'How many hours a week do you spend watching film of the next week's opponent and when do you start?'

BB: I start watching film on the next week's opponent on Friday and Saturday of the prior week. So today's now Monday, I've probably already watched a good eight to ten hours of Detroit in the extra time on Friday and Saturday after we kind of finish up our preparations on Chicago. Now as it turned out, Chicago and Green Bay both played Detroit earlier in the season, so there is some carryover on those games, as well. When we were watching one team you kind of get a feel for the other team who is matched up against who and that type of thing. And then from this week on, Monday and Tuesday are the big film days. We really try to watch a lot of game film; I'd say probably a good half of the day is on that. And then as you get further into the week you break it down into situations, like Wednesday all the runs, all the play action passes; Thursday all the third downs, all the red area; Friday all the goal line, two minute. Then each special teams segment: kickoff team one day, punt team the next day. So I'd say, depending on which day of the week and how well you know the team and how much extra work you feel like you need to do on them, probably four to five hours a day.

GO: When you first look at the film, do you watch it to see sequentially what they're doing as a team, or do you have your video people already break down this is what they're going to do?

BB: It's all broken down. If you want to start looking at the breakdowns you can start. I kind of like to watch game film and just watch how they play and how their opponent is playing them, especially a division team. Like watching Detroit against Green Bay or Minnesota or Chicago, teams that know them well and know their personnel – who are they doubling and which side are they trying to run the pass rush games on and what running plays are they trying to run and what route concepts are they trying to hit and that type of thing. Then once you kind of go through that and you get a feel for, okay, here's what they do on first and second down, here's what they do on third down, here's their goal line package, here's their two-minute package. Then go back and look at it broken up by all their two-tight end plays, all their single-tight end plays, all their sub blitzes, all their regular blitzes and stuff like that.

FS: What's the latest you go into the night?

BB: I'm not really that late of a night guy. I can't stay up too late. Usually by 8 o'clock I'm...

GO: Eight o'clock?!

BB: Eight or nine o'clock, that's the point of diminishing returns...

GO: Go to bed at eight or nine o'clock? Really?

BB: Well, I mean I'm probably done studying then, I might do some...

GO: Oh, okay.

BB: ...kind of wrap-up stuff. But I'm probably not getting a whole lot done after nine o'clock.

[Crosstalk]

BB: Here's my Question of the Week, Glenn, and Fred and Pete: with the college pass interference rule being 15 yards and the pro pass interference rule being the spot of the foul, which do you prefer?

PS: We brought this up earlier.

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BB: Oh, well I don't want to re-pave the road now.

PS: As the guys pointed out appropriately, that if you adopted the college rule in the pros, there would probably be tackling all over the place. [GO: Couldn't do it.] You couldn't do it. However, maybe it doesn't have to be 15 yards, maybe it's 25 yards, or 30 yards maximum. But I think it need s to be amended somewhat.

GO: I agree.

PS: I think it's too much...it's an unfair advantage. Especially all the bad refereeing.

FS: I think the refs should be full-time.

PS: It's bad.

GO: We actually argued this earlier. I agree, I think we go by the pro system. I think you could not adopt the college system into the pro system or you'd have anarchy out there. Do you think you could?

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BB: I think the argument would be well at least you're not giving up those cheap 50-yard plays, where they don't even throw and catch it, it's just there's a bump there and now the ball moves half the length of the field. You don't have that type of situation  anything over 15 yards  at least it's only  that might be the same situation. But the flip side of it is you might have more calls on guys saying anything over 15 yards just go ahead and grab him, what do you have to lose? At least it's only 15, not 50.

GO: The game would last four-and-a-half hours. The players are too good.

BB: Right. And that might be the same situation if you were replaying those, as well. But I think it's an interesting discussion, one that's come up in the league kind of every year to see how the feelings have changed or not and that's kind of how it goes back and forth is there's a certain element that feels that 50 yards is a lot of yards for just a bump.

GO: It's a game-changer.

BB: Sure, it's a huge game-changer.

GO: I mean yesterday for you guys, it could have changed that entire game.

FS: Here's a question: why can't you call for review inside two minutes? That's the most crucial part of the game.

GO: You were arguing for that yesterday, correct?

BB: I couldn't... [Crosstalk] I was shocked they didn't review the Dillon fumble when they reviewed the Caldwell and the Watson catches [SD: Right.], which, neither one of those were with a timeout and that was actually a change of possession and so there was more time to look at that. But what the procedure is, the replay official upstairs looks at the play and then he calls down to the referee and says 'You need to take a look at this one.' And if he looks at it and feels that there really isn't anything to review, that it was called correctly, then they keep the game going.

GO: And you believe they were right, right?

BB: Well...I think Dillon probably...that play probably was a fumble. I don't think he was down. So maybe the replay official saw that and that's...

PS: [Interrupting] When it's close enough to review, like you said, considering what...

GO: [Interrupting] Considering the previous two.

BB: Considering what was at stake there.

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FS: But the point is, why can't you throw...the most crucial part of the game is the end of the half and the end of the game, and then they tie your hands where you can't challenge a call that may change the flow of the game. That seems stupid.

BB: Yes. Fred, I'm with you. I think the thinking on that was – and again, I don't want to speak out of turn here – but I think the thinking on that was that in a two-minute situation you're really trying to manage the clock and use your timeouts. So then if you have to think about withholding timeouts for potential challenges...in other words, say you use your timeouts to get the ball back or something...

FS: Consequence.

BB: But I'm saying now you lose the opportunity to do that, so rather than thinking about, okay well I have to save a timeout for a challenge, that you can go ahead and use your timeouts however you want to use them, to conserve time, and then if a game-changing or a possession play comes up, that's handled upstairs. My question would be well why not do it that way the whole game? [Everybody agreeing] But that's another decision for the coaches to make. Like what happened in yesterday's game when I challenged [Bernard] Berrian's catch there. By losing that challenge you really lose two challenges not one. Because you win two then you get a third. So once you lose that first one now you only have one left. So that's why I kind of hate to challenge that first one and lose it. Because I thought about the one they caught in front of Asante there on that comeback there on the second drive of the game. But I just wasn't...I kind of got a good look at it and I wasn't sure that it wasn't a catch. So like I said, if you challenge that first one and lose it, then you're really down two instead of one. But as Fred says, it is what it is.

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GO: All right, there you go the Eastern Mass. Volkswagen Dealers' Coach's Question of The Week, and of course the 'dumb co-host question of the week.' Bob is now registered to win a trip for two to the pro football championship in Miami. Stop by your local Eastern Mass. Volkswagen dealer or logon to WEEI.com, submit a question for the coach and register for a trip to the big game. Well, congratulations on yesterday's victory, Coach. Good luck on Sunday and we'll see you back here on Monday.

BB: Thank you.

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