All Things Bill Belichick
     
 

Coffee With The Coach


 
 

WEEI
January 8, 2007

 
     
 

Bill Belichick joined The Big Show with hosts Glenn Ordway, Fred Smerlas, Steve DeOssie and Pete Sheppard during Patriots Monday on WEEI Sports Radio 850 AM.

GO: All right, back here on The Big Show it is Patriots Monday. It's time for our session with the Coach. Coffee With The Coach, brought to you by Dunkin' Donuts. Stop by Dunkin' Donuts today for a delicious coffee. America runs on Dunkin'. Well, good afternoon and congratulations, Coach.

BB: Thanks, Glenn ... Pete, Fred ... Nice to be here today.

[Crosstalk]

GO: Well, you had to feel good about this one yesterday because as you like to say, 'We have to be good in all facets of the game.' When you look back at the season, I would have to say that was probably as good as you've been in all facets of the game. Is that a fair statement?

BB: Yes. I mean certainly far from perfect. It was a real nip-and-tuck game there until probably about the middle of the fourth quarter, but I thought we did a pretty good job in all the phases. Our kickoff coverage was real good for us and that gave us some good field position. We moved the ball offensively, didn't have to punt in the second half, got the ball in the end zone—even though they stopped us a couple of times, we ended up getting the ball in the end zone. And defensively, we played good red zone defense, played pretty good on third down. So we did enough things to win. It wasn't perfect, and we certainly had some problems with the Jets through the course of the game, but we ended up making a few more plays than they did.

GO: We talked a lot, in the last game that you played against the Jets, about the pre-snap movement, how they were moving all over the place. It was kind of similar, I guess, to what you guys have done against Buffalo a few years back in that Bledsoe game. What did you do differently in this game that that did not seem to be a problem? Guys picked up on the blitz. Nothing seemed to be a factor, a distraction in this game.

BB: Well I think the big thing, Glenn, was just the execution of the players. The offensive line, the tight ends, the backs and the quarterback getting the protection set right, getting it picked up, and then blocking them. We tried to change the snap count up, and the cadence and things like that, but I think the big thing was that the protection was good and that they blocked them. The players made the plays, they got those blitzes picked up, Tom [Brady] had some time to throw, the receivers got open, they made some yards-after-the-catch and converted third downs. So it was just good team execution. You can't beat the Jets with just one guy or two guys doing well; everybody really has to do their job. Overall, the offensive line and the entire offensive unit did a good job of that.

FS: How much different is their scheme? Is it that much more complicated? Because you do a lot of window-dressing moves on both sides. Some teams are black-and-white—they line up and you know what their tendencies are. How much more complex would be playing them than a [inaudible] team, let's say Baltimore, that's more of a power?

BB: I think what the Jets do a good job of is giving you the same look and then doing different things off it. Some teams, you can see them in a certain look, then you know what's coming and you can identify it. With the Jets, they give you the looks that are kind of the same, and then you have guys coming off one side and then guys coming off the other side, then guys coming up the middle. It's hard to get all that sorted out because it does kind of look the same. So that's really the problem. It's not that they do anything that we've never seen in football before, but when a lot of things look the same, then that makes it difficult to zero-in on that one particular scheme that they have.

FS: Now, you had a lot of draws with [Kevin] Faulk when they were getting up, and then they started getting out of it, you hit the draw and he seemed to be running back and not facing the line a few times. It made them [inaudible] him a little bit early, maybe. That seemed to work well.

BB: Well it's hard to blitz a play that's going right up the middle. It doesn't really matter what blitz you call, that doesn't really handle that. We were able to punch the ball up the middle a few times and settle things. I think we tried to settle things down a little bit. We ran it, we passed it, we had some outside runs. You just try to keep them off-balance and try to give them some different looks so that they'd be thinking about more what we were doing instead of us standing there at the line waiting to see where they were going to end up.

PS: Have you ever been involved in a game where there was so much movement before the snap from the opposing team? I mean, it just seemed everybody was moving constantly before a play was even run—every single play.

BB: You know, Pete, I don't think so. I think that this was a game very much of tempo. As much as it was just execution, it was a game of tempo—quick counts, long counts, people going in and out, them catching us with 12 guys on the field, us catching them with 12; a couple of timeout situations where we were trying to get the right substitutions, or the situation that came up there, in I think it was the first quarter, where they put their punter in but left the offensive line on the field and we took a timeout on that. So there were a lot of substitution-type situations. Certainly a lot more than you normally see. You might see one or two of those a game, but we must have had seven or eight of them.

SD: Did what you learned from the last game, the loss to the Jets, help you a lot with this game?

BB: I think there were definitely a lot of things they did that we had to take into consideration. We knew they would change up a little bit, which they did. Again, I think the big thing yesterday offensively was just the overall execution by the entire unitthe receivers, the quarterback, the backs, the tight end, the offensive line. They had the ability to kind of call the same play and then have, one time one group of guys does it, and the next time another group of guys does it and the guys who were blitzing before now take the other guy's coverage. So it's really hard to just lock in on what they're doing. And you kind of had to sort out a lot of it after the snap. And that's when the cohesive working of the unit—the line, the backs in protection, the tight end—that's when it's really important for everybody to kind of see the same picture after the snap.

FS: How much did the field make a difference? When you're calling plays, obviously it's going to change what you're going to call because the lack of footing, Brady moving around the pocket—because he's a guy that slides—your changing the surface seemed to affect you guys more than them in a positive way.

BB: It was overall a lot cleaner game than the November game. It was a faster track for both teams. I think that maybe helped them on some plays, maybe the [Jerricho] Cotchery play, [and] it helped us on some plays. So I'm sure it evened out in the end. But I think it was just better quality of the game, better execution. The players could play better on a better surface.

FS: And it helps your D-linemen. Your D-linemen are a big, strong, plus quickness. You can't move as well in that junk.

BB: Right. There's no question it helps the defensive linemen. There's nobody that hates a bad field more than a defensive lineman.

[Crosstalk and laughter]

PS: Tom was talking about Jabar Gaffney this week having a great week of practice. But what did you see? What did he do differently this week? It seemed like he finally got it this week, as opposed to some other weeks.

BB: You know, he's been working hard all year. A couple times he's been singled out as the 'Practice Player of the Week' for his work ethic and for his effort in practice. But it just kind of came together for him yesterday. He had a couple short passes, he got some yards-after-the-catch, Tom hit him on that ball over the middle. But Jabar's a good receiver. He works hard, he's a good route runner, he has some quickness, good hands, and he's instinctive—he kind of knows where to go and what to do and how to get open in man coverage or zone coverage, whatever it is. He made a couple good decisions there yesterday. A lot of the balls are going outside just because of the amount of pressure and the amount of inside coverage that the Jets were using. So he kind of opened it up for all the receivers out there.

GO: We all got a kick out of it when you seemed to run the same play four times in a row with Kevin Faulk.

BB: Right.

GO: That was the case, then. I'm wondering, were you doing it simply because it was there for you, or were you trying to do something and get them to change what they were doing to open up something else?

BB: Well, I think it started on a third down play where they had their sub defense in the game. They were trying to sub it off third down—they were trying to bring in one group on third down and play another group on first and second down. So we just left that group in there against their sub. They only had two defensive linemen in the game and just tried to run right at it a few times, and they really weren't able to substitute until we changed our grouping with them, as well. But then the next series they caught on to that, so they put a different grouping out there. So it was very much like Pete said, like you mentioned, very much of a matchup game and a tempo game, trying to keep one group on the field or keep another group off the field. And the Jets did that to us, as well. Once they got those four receivers out there and we didn't have our dime defense out, then they tried to do that. We subbed one time and got caught, and then the other times we didn't sub and they were ready for us. Had we tried, I'm sure they would have quick-snapped us.

FS: Listening to all this, it seems like for you, a guy that's been coaching for what, 45 years now? [Laughter and crosstalk] Is it a game where a person like you that loves the strategy...a chess game, where a guy comes in that's a very intelligent guy, Mangini, who's learned from you, what a challenge that is to go out...it's not just [inaudible], this is a matchup. It's different lineups against different things, and different audibles. Is that enjoyable for you, to be tested mentally like that in these games?

BB: We get tested every week. Every team has good coaches, good players, and tough schemes, and they always matchup their best stuff and try to attack our weaknesses, just like we do against them. So every week's a big challenge. But any time you play a division team, a team that knows you well and knows your personnel, and especially a situation like the Jets where you get people working with the same organization in the same system and all that, that just heightens it, where you have to change some of your calls because they know certain things that you call and what they mean and all that. So that changes a little bit. But in the end, still, football comes back to players executing and making plays on the field, and ultimately that was the difference in the game. It wasn't the matchupsalthough that was certainly a part of itas much as it was, to me, the line blocking and the receivers catching and the runners running and the pass rushers rushing, and tackling. That's really what determined the game.

SD: In the kicking game, two thinks jumped out. First off, your rookie kicker performed well...

FS: Nice leg.

[Crosstalk]

SD: And your kick coverage team was very good against the Pro Bowl kick returner in the league.

BB: Outstanding.

SD: A point of emphasis this week?

BB: Absolutely. Outstanding. They did a great job. Brad Seely and the entire special teams unit. Larry Izzo of course, our captain, all those guys, they did a great job on kickoff coverage. As we all know, in a game, when you score you get a little bit of momentum. Then if you can have a good kickoff, or kickoff coverage play, now you have them backed up, and now the defense has some field position. And if you can make another play or two there, now you can really string together 10 points, 14 points, 17 points. But that kickoff coverage is...but you can give it back in a hurry, too. So those were big plays for us. I thought Stephen [Gostkowski] kicked well and I thought our entire coverage unit, they played hard, they held them down, they read those return schemes, and tackled well. And [Justin] Miller, he's a hard guy to tackle.

PS: At the end of the third quarter, I thought you were actually going to run onto the field during that backward lateral, and pick up the ball yourself and go. But after Rosevelt [Colvin] had his hands on his helmet and everything, and [Vince] Wilfork does make the great play, did you say anything to Colvin when he came back to the sideline, like 'You have to play till the whistle blows'?

BB: Well, we emphasize that with everybody. Our thing is 'Get the ball and ask questions later.' It doesn't matter whether the ball's tipped or it's lateralled or that down-by-contact rule—whether it is or isn't. We don't care about the whistle. Just get on the ball and then let's talk about it after we have the ball. Vince did make a play. I just happened to be standing right there on the line of scrimmage on that particular play. Usually I'm not. Usually I'm down at one end or the other. But when I saw [Chad] Pennington step back and throw it, it definitely looked to me like it was going away from the line of scrimmage. I thought Rosie was going to catch it, but when he didn't...I felt like that was clearly a live ball. And Vince got it and he kind of looked around like he wasn't sure. He was sort of waiting for the whistle to blow...

GO: He said he was looking at you.

[Laughter and crosstalk]

BB: At that point I was thinking nobody knows this is a live ball—just go with it. And he did.

GO: You were running along the sideline, the official was, and Wilfork, and you were in third place. We were a little disappointed.

[Laughter]

BB: I had the headphones, though. [Laughter] But I did, I saw the head linesman standing right there in front of me—he didn't blow the whistle, he didn't wave his arms, and I knew that he knew, or thought, that it was a live ball, too, which it was. So I was just trying to... [Crosstalk] I kind of got caught up in the play. I haven't been caught up in one like that in a while.

FS: Now, did you think it was going to be an option pass, or did he just throw it backwards because of the pressure?

BB: I think that was just going to be their bubble pass, where the outside guys block and he runs with it. But I do think that the one earlier in the game, I thought was going to be an option pass. But [Brad] Smith is that kind of player, [inaudible] the quarterback from Missouri, and we know he can throw. He can also run, so I think you have to be ready for those kinds of plays, especially in a game like this. So we certainly had to be alert for it.

GO: The play that Kevin Faulk scored the touchdown in, nobody seemed to peel-out with him. Do you think that they might have thought at that time...because there was a lot of confusion... [Crosstalk] holding their arms up ... they might have thought that it was going to be a direct snap to Kevin? That that's what confused them? Because nobody came out with him.

BB: I think that what happened was...I think Eric Smith had him coming from the middle of the field, and he got bumped trying to go out there and cover Kevin and just didn't get out there to him. Initially I thought that somebody that was rushing was supposed to peel with him, which, that might have been part of it, too, but I don't think so. I think the safety had him and he just kind of got caught in traffic coming over to pick him up. And Kevin was out there so fast, and he was able to catch it and walk in.

GO: [Inaudible] looked at the sideline and then he was making some signal, almost as if...

SD: Was it an audible on the play?

BB: On our play? No. No.

FS: The defense, all holding hands up [inaudible]...

GO: Because you have done that before with that direct snap to Faulk...

BB: Right.

GO: And you've done it deep in the red zone, correct?

BB: Yes. Yes, we've run that play before. Defensively, I'm sure the Jets...and we know the Jets have some hand signal checks to check to this, check to that, against certain looks or certain pressures, or certain pressures that they're in. We also know they do it as a dummy, too. They do that, like they're checking into some big coverage, and then they just go ahead and run what they have called. So, again, it's back to the same...I think the best thing to do is just to line up, go through your assignment progression, don't try to guess at what the play is with them, just read it out and follow your assignment. But that could have been part of it, too.

FS: Was there any thought involved...to going to the run heading into the half? You had a hard play action...

BB: Yes, there was. We talked about that. We talked about that, because it was third-and-one and we took a timeout, then they took a timeout. We talked about it and we said, you know, they know we have to throw it on this play, and they're probably going to be playing for the pass here, and we have less than a yard, we can just stick it in there and run it. Of course, the risk being if we don't make it, the half's over, we'll get nothing, so it'll be all-or-nothing. But we did talk about that. I think that there would have been a place for that play, and it might have caught them a little bit off-guard, because I'm sure they were looking for us to throw on that down.

FS: Are you surprised they picked the play action as much as...because the linebacker jumped up [inaudible]...

BB: Yeah, but I mean it was close. That was a terrific throw and an excellent catch.

PS: That might have been his best throw of the year. He's had a lot of good ones, but that might have been his best throw of the year.

BB: Boy, it was tight, and it was...and Dan [Graham], he was extended all the way out. He made a terrific catch on that. But yes, we did talk about that.

GO: Well you would think that that's what they were thinking, right? The only way you're going is to the end of the end zone, because you don't want an interception, obviously, in that situation. But do you think it had any chance of getting two plays on... [Smerlas interrupts and I can't understand what anybody is saying.] ... Could you?

BB: Well, no, because it would have been fourth down and we would have had to run the field goal unit onto the field...

GO: Or would you run it again? That's what we were talking about—would you run it twice?

BB: That would have been the only thing, but I think in that situation, to have everybody un-pile and then get the ball snapped again, I think it would be tough. I think you would need at least 16 seconds to count on that. Maybe with 14, but I think in our opinion that would have been cutting it a little bit too close. Especially if you run the ball inside, you get all those bodies in there.

GO: You were like two feet away. It was less than a yard.

BB: Right, it was. I was in that situation in Oakland, in Cleveland. I think we were behind 21-16, or something like that, and there were like nine seconds to go in the game, third-and-goal, and we ran a toss play and didn't score. They blitzed up the middle. They blitzed up the middle the play before and knocked—I think Vinny [Testaverde] was the quarterback—knocked Vinny down, and had big pressure on the play. So now it was third down and [we] kind of figured they'd come back with the same thing, and luckily they did—they ran the same blitz again and we ran the toss and the guard and tackle pulled out there with the back and there was nobody [Laughter]... But had we been tackled, the game would have been over. So...but we have done that before. Yes.

PS: You always say there's always room for improvement, but do you feel your football team is playing its best football of the year right now?

BB: Well, I think we had a good game against the Jets. I thought we had good execution, played with good toughness, played hard, played physical, played in all three phases for 60 minutes. But now that that's said, I don't think that really matters. I don't think it means anything. You know, we were sitting here last year talking about how we played a pretty solid game against Jacksonville, and then go out there and...we didn't play well at all in the Denver game—got out-coached, got out-played, got beat. So that game's in the books, and we know we have to play our best game this week against San Diego. They're the best team.

GO: All right, let's get to it. Let's talk about San Diego. I guess we can start with LaDainian Tomlinson because it seems to be the base of what they do offensively. Do you have to stop that run to be successful and beat that football team?

BB: Oh, without a doubt. Yes, without a doubt. The running game really is the key to...not that that's all they have offensively, but I think it's the key to it. They're the best in the league in the red area, best in the league on the goal line, best in the league in rushing, excellent on third down, lead the league in scoring, and it all gets set up by the run. A big part of their offense is scoring in the red area. They're the best team in the red area, they do a lot of running down there, and so when they get it down there they get it in the end zone, and that's very important. So you have to stop that. If they get that going, that just opens up all the passing game to the receivers, the tight ends and all that. So it's time of possession and the whole thing. The only way to get any field position is to try to stop the run, convert on third down, and try to keep that running game off the field a little bit. The only teams really that have done a decent job of just keeping the yardage down are the ones that don't let them have the ball as much. [Laughter] If they have it, they're going to run it.

FS: It seems, playing a game like that, so important with the two-gap guys to play and don't...because he cuts back as well as any back I've seen, and he reads the holes well. If a lineman comes off a block too early and gets pushed by the hole and widens it, it's so important to stay in your blocks, stay square, and play solid fundamentals going into this game.

BB: Absolutely, Fred. Absolutely. That's the number one thing. And of course not letting him get outside for a lot of easy yardage. When we played them last year we had a lot of problems and they did a good job. We got killed. It was 24-0 in the second quarter. They were running the clock out.

FS: It was 200 yards...what was it rushing?

GO: 253? Something like that.

BB: We saw a lot of the back of his jersey. We didn't do a good job at all last year. Obviously it needs to be ten times better than that, starting with the coaching end of it, and the playing and tackling and everything else. They handled us, so we have to do a lot better than what we did against them last year. And the majority of our problems last year were in the running game. Not that we didn't have other problems, but they came in the running game. We couldn't stop them, and every time you needed to stop they just handed the ball off and kept it going.

SD: Having tremendous experience with a great front three like you do, you can appreciate, I imagine, their front three, between [Jamal] Williams and [Shawne] Merriman and [Shaun] Phillips. They seem about as good as it gets in the league, too.

BB: Yes. And their defensive ends are excellent, too. Yes, they're tough upfront. They're hard to run against, they rush the passer well60 sacks or whatever it is. They have a strong front. They do a lot of 5-man rushes—one off each side, or two from one side or two up the middle. So you have to block all seven guys up there and they all are very active and they're physical, they're quick, they do a good job.

FS: How many times have you played Marty [Schottenheimer]?

BB: Maybe four or five.

SD: Have you faced him in the playoffs before?

BB: I don't think so.

PS: What team do you think...Baltimore's team at least contained Tomlinson; I think he had less than a hundred yards rushing. Will you be focusing on what the Ravens did in that particular game this year? Or, Kansas City beat them, as well. But that was more of a high-scoring game.

[Crosstalk]

PS: Buffalo played them tough.

BB: Right. They did. You know, Cleveland played them pretty competitively for about three quarters. They've lost two games, each by three points. So they've literally been in every game right to the last possession. Now, they've won a lot of close games, too. They have an excellent field goal kicker, a Pro Bowl kicker. He's done a good job for them. But there's no question, the Baltimore game will be one that we'll take a look at. I think some of those games early in the year they hadn't quite hit their stride offensively. The second half of the season they've had a ton of production. Now, they win 27-0 [and] 40-7 the first two weeks, but I think in the last second half of the season, when they've won ten straight here, they've pretty much had it rolling every week.

FS: Did you think [Philip] Rivers was going to be as good as he is? I mean, he has a great arm, he's a big, strong kid. He got frustrated in a couple games, but he seems to sit in the pocket well and make decent reads.

BB: He has a good arm, he's a good athlete. Again, Fred, I didn't do a whole lot of work on him coming out. With him and [Eli] Manning being in the top four, top five guys in the draft projected, we weren't going to be in that market. But this is the first time I've really gotten a chance to study him. But I'm impressed with his athletic ability, his arm strength, he has a quick release, and he manages the game well. They've only had 15 turnovers all year, which is phenomenal. When you play good defense and when you can run the ball and return kickoffs and be good in the kicking game like they are, it makes them hard to beat. So we're going to have to find some way to get the ball off them. But Rivers has done a good job of not turning it over.

GO: Is this a tough team to blitz again in that if you over-pursue than LT can kill you?

BB: Yes, they're a tough team to blitz. Again, if they crease you, it's all over. Once you give up that second line of defense, then there's not much left. He's a hard guy to get in the open field. We've seen several of those teams that send a lot of people, and then you spring one free and you get him. But then when he splits them, it's to the house. So it's like any other blitz, it's kind of an all-or-nothing situation.

FS: Do you find it a pain to fly out to the West Coast. I mean, you gain...it's not as bad...I think it's worse coming out here than going out there because you get a little extra time. But is that a big deal to you at all, the West Coast?

BB: I don't think it's a huge deal, but it certainly changes your normal routine a little bit. So yes, I think you have to make some adjustments for it. But I think just about everybody's played out there at one time or another, so it's not anything that's unprecedented. But we'll have to make a little change in our schedule.

GO: When do you go out? How do you plan for...

SD: Some East Coast teams will go out a day early. Or they used to, I know that.

FS: It's mandatory. Don't you have to go out a day early with these games?

BB: I think only for the...

FS: For the championship.

BB: No, not even for the championship. Well, you definitely have to be there 24 hours before the game, so as far as going out two days early, no, there's no rule on that. But we'll definitely consider going out on Friday. I don't know if all those arrangements have been finalized yet, but we're working on that. So there's a pretty good chance that that's what it'll be.

[Crosstalk]

FS: So two days off and then Wednesday. Are you going to go pads this week?

BB: We'll talk about that. I think it was another physical game and this time of year we still have a few guys that are a little banged up, so we'll kind of see how the health of the team is. I'll talk to the trainers and strength coach tomorrow and see how everybody's doing. And then we'll figure it out for Wednesday and make the practice schedule Tuesday afternoon.

FS: That was a good move with Wilfork, because he seemed to be one hundred percent. You had the luxury of holding him out for two weeks as opposed to bringing him back at 75 percent and continue aggravating the injury. He didn't seem to have any side effects from that ankle sprain.

BB: No, I thought that really all the players held up pretty well. As I said, it was a physical game. It was a tough game. But really the main guy that couldn't play was [Rodney] Harrison. Everybody else, with whatever they had, they were able to deal with it and play through it.

FS: You must be having him medicated this week because he must be going nuts, going back to San Diego.

[Laughter]

BB: Well, it's unfortunate. It really is. As hard as Rodney's worked and all, it'll be tough. We'll see how he comes out this week. He's certainly better than where he was last week. How close that will be, we'll just have to give it till Wednesday and see whether there's really an opportunity for him to play this week or not. We hope so. We'll keep our fingers crossed. We'll just see where he is in a couple of days.

[Crosstalk]

GO: All right, here we go, Coach, the Eastern Mass. Volkswagen Dealers' Coach's Question of The Week. This one comes from Chuck in Danvers. Chuck asks, 'If you had to pick any current or retired quarterback other than Tom Brady as your starter in a championship game, who would you pick and why?'

[Crosstalk]

BB: Well, there are a lot of great quarterbacks. I have some history with Phil Simms, with the Giants, and I thought that Super Bowl XXI...I don't think you could play much better than he played. So the ones I've been with—I'm not taking anything away from anybody, but Simms was pretty good. He was good in big games and he was a good, consistent football player.

SD: Statistically, that's still one of the best Super Bowl performances by a quarterback.

GO: All right, you have a question?

BB: My Question of the Week?

[Crosstalk]

BB: I don't have one today. You know, the only thing, if I could just interject, then I'll just cut out. You know, after the game I...the incident that took place after the game, I do feel bad about that.

FS: Which one?

[Everyone speaking at once]

GO: With Jim Davis, the photographer.

BB: I really didn't mean to hit him up high there. I was trying to just push him out of the way and get to Eric [Mangini]. It wasn't...it certainly wasn't called for, so I...I wish that hadn't have happened.

FS: But they all come crowding in like Paris Hilton is taking her dress off or something.

GO: It seemed like you said something to him, maybe 'Excuse me' or 'Get out of the way' or something.

BB: I was trying to get him out of the way, but I hit him.

PS: All right, Coach. Who do you like tonight, Florida or Ohio State? All of your receiving corps is meeting at Jabar's house. If they lose, that's going to be a rough week of practice.

BB: This is going to be a tough one. We have a lot of Ohio State connections, of course with Mike Vrabel and Pepper [Johnson], and Pepper's son playing. So, boy, I'm going to have to take this one down the middle.

[Crosstalk]

GO: That's your Eastern Mass. Volkswagen Dealers' Coach's Question of The Week. Visit your local Volkswagen dealer today. Lease the fantastic Jetta for just $199 a month, or if you're a current Passat or Touareg owner, you take advantage of the huge Volkswagen loyalty program. All right, Coach, one down. You have a few more to go, here. Good luck Sunday out there in San Diego.

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